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02/27/2013 12:00 PM Senate RESOURCES


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12:29:13 PM Overview: Mining Industry Briefing
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Mining Industry Overview
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
                         JOINT MEETING                                                                                        
              SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
               HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                       February 27, 2013                                                                                        
                           12:28 p.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATE RESOURCES                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 Senator Cathy Giessel, Chair                                                                                                   
 Senator Peter Micciche                                                                                                         
 Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                           
 Senator Lesil McGuire                                                                                                          
 Senator Anna Fairclough                                                                                                        
 Senator Hollis French                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE RESOURCES                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Eric Feige, Co-Chair                                                                                            
 Representative Peggy Wilson, Vice Chair                                                                                        
 Representative Geran Tarr                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
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SENATE RESOURCES                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 Senator Fred Dyson, Vice Chair                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
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 Representative Dan Saddler, Co-Chair                                                                                           
 Representative Mike Hawker                                                                                                     
 Representative Craig Johnson                                                                                                   
 Representative Kurt Olson                                                                                                      
 Representative Paul Seaton                                                                                                     
 Representative Chris Tuck                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
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OVERVIEW: MINING INDUSTRY BRIEFING                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL SATRE, Executive Director                                                                                               
Council of Alaska Producers                                                                                                     
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Provided  information  about   the  mining                                                             
industry.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
KAREN MATTHIAS, Managing Consultant                                                                                             
Council of Alaska Producers                                                                                                     
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Provided  information  about   the  mining                                                             
industry.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DEANTHA CROCKETT, Executive Director                                                                                            
Alaska Miners Association                                                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Provided  information  about   the  mining                                                             
industry.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
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12:28:50 PM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR CATHY  GIESSEL called the  joint meeting of the  Senate and                                                             
House  Resources  Standing  Committees  to order  at  12:28  p.m.                                                               
Present at  the call  to order  were Senators  Micciche, McGuire,                                                               
Fairclough,  French,  and  Chair   Giessel.  Senator  Bishop  and                                                               
Representatives Wilson, Tarr, and  Co-Chair Feige arrived shortly                                                               
thereafter.                                                                                                                     
              ^OVERVIEW: MINING INDUSTRY BRIEFING                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
12:29:13 PM                                                                                                                   
                    MINING INDUSTRY OVERVIEW                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
CHAIR  GIESSEL said  the only  order of  business was  the mining                                                               
industry overview.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL SATRE,  Executive Director, Council of  Alaska Producers,                                                               
said  Alaska  has  seven  producing   large  mines  and  over  60                                                               
exploration projects spending  over $1 million a  year (the point                                                               
at which they  are starting to be serious). He  said they provide                                                               
over  4800 direct  jobs and  it's growing.  They have  a $100,000                                                               
average  annual wage,  a significant  economic  component to  the                                                               
state. He  described where  the mines  are located,  the furthest                                                               
north being  the Red Dog  open pit  lead/zinc mine; Fort  Knox is                                                               
the open  pit gold  mine and  Pogo is  the underground  gold mine                                                               
outside   of  Delta   Junction.   The   Nixon  Fork   underground                                                               
gold/copper mine  is on the  Kuskokwim region, the  Usibelli Coal                                                               
Mine is in the Railbelt area,  and Southeast has the Coeur Alaska                                                               
Kensington Gold  mine just north  of Juneau and the  Hekla Greens                                                               
Creek Mine on Admiralty Island.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Several  advance exploration  projects are  happening around  the                                                               
state  towards Red  Dog;  Kotzebue has  the  Upper Kobuk  mineral                                                               
projects, a partnership with Nova  Copper; NANA has the Livengood                                                               
Gold prospects  north of Fairbanks,  the Donlin Gold  prospect on                                                               
the Lower  Kuskokwim and  the Pebble project  in the  Bristol Bay                                                               
area;  Chuitna   and  Wishbone  Hill  are   some  coal  projects;                                                               
Southeast has  the Bokan  Mountain Ucore  Rare Earth  project and                                                               
the Niblack copper/zinc/silver mine.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
12:32:21 PM                                                                                                                   
KAREN   MATTHIAS,   Managing   Consultant,  Council   of   Alaska                                                               
Producers, said  mining is  a very global  industry for  two main                                                               
reasons; one is  that the price of the product  is determined not                                                               
by the cost to produce it  but by global markets and two, because                                                               
the huge costs to explore and  develop mines require a very large                                                               
investment base.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Looking at the  commodities, she said that copper,  lead and zinc                                                               
prices for the  last 10 years had been very  volatile. Along with                                                               
aluminum,  those three  base  metals are  the  most widely  used,                                                               
their  prices   being  driven  by  industrial   demand  and  more                                                               
generally by the global economy. The  most common use for lead is                                                               
batteries  and for  zinc it's  galvanized metals;  copper is  the                                                               
bellwether metal, because  it is used in  electronics and wiring.                                                               
So, when  the economy  is doing well  and we're  building houses,                                                               
buying cars  and investing  in infrastructure,  the price  of the                                                               
metals go up.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
However,  Ms.  Matthias  said  the   prices  also  reflect  where                                                               
investors  think   the  economy  is  going.   So,  macro-economic                                                               
uncertainty  can impact  those  prices.  Right now  we  are in  a                                                               
period  of macro-economic  uncertainty; Europe  is in  crisis and                                                               
everybody is wondering what the US  is going to do because of the                                                               
debt ceiling and sequestration along  with what is happening with                                                               
China's growth.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MATTHIAS said  it is  important to  recognize the  role that                                                               
China plays in  commodity prices. In the 1980s  they bought about                                                               
5 percent of the world's base metals; today it's 30 percent.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
12:34:21 PM                                                                                                                   
MS. MATTHIAS said gold and silver  prices looking at 2004 to 2012                                                               
are also  very volatile. Precious metals  also tend to be  a safe                                                               
harbor in times of economic  uncertainty, so those prices went up                                                               
in 2009  after the financial  crisis and the  economic recession.                                                               
They moved  steadily up until  2011 when they dipped  again. It's                                                               
very  difficult to  predict commodity  prices and  that makes  it                                                               
very  difficult  to  attract investment  and  to  judge  economic                                                               
feasibility for a project that might  be 10 or 15 years away from                                                               
production.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
She  said  Alaska has  to  compete  for investment  dollars  with                                                               
mining projects  all over the  world. Since mining  requires such                                                               
high upfront expenditures  and high risk, investors  tend to pull                                                               
back when  commodity prices  are low and  invest when  they rise.                                                               
She related where  the exploration dollars go showing  a graph of                                                               
exploration spending by region. From  a total of $18.2 billion in                                                               
2011, the US  accounted for 8 percent of  exploration spending in                                                               
the world (down from 19 percent in the 1990s).                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
She  said  the  Alaska  Permanent  Fund  plays  a  role  in  mine                                                               
financing as well.  Most think of their PFDs coming  from oil and                                                               
gas,  but over  292  metals, mining  and fabricating  investments                                                               
contributed over a half billion dollars to it as of last year.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
12:36:35 PM                                                                                                                   
MS. MATTHIAS said looking at  the volatility of commodity prices,                                                               
she was hoping to give the  impression of the high financial risk                                                               
involved in  mining exploration and development.  Explorers spend                                                               
millions  of dollars  looking for  the big  find and  hundreds of                                                               
millions on development and permitting  costs. And because of the                                                               
uncertainty about  commodity prices,  once a mine  actually comes                                                               
into production there is no  guarantee there will be an immediate                                                               
return  on  investment.  So,  it's good  for  Alaska  to  attract                                                               
outside investment for these developments.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Over $2 billion has been spent  on exploration in Alaska over the                                                               
last 30  years on dozens of  projects, but it has  only six large                                                               
producing metal  mines. That  is not because  we don't  have rich                                                               
resources,   but  a   lot  of   other  issues   are  taken   into                                                               
consideration  when  looking  at investing  here.  There's  local                                                               
infrastructure, transportation  and fuel costs, whether  or not a                                                               
project is  near an energy  grid, labor costs and  the regulatory                                                               
uncertainty. She then handed the presentation over to Mr. Satre.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
12:37:51 PM                                                                                                                   
MR. SATRE  discussed the  individual commodities  currently being                                                               
developed  in  Alaska  beginning  with  gold  that  brought  many                                                               
westerners to  Alaska to  begin with;  and it  is a  more visible                                                               
piece  of the  mining industry  these  days. It  has always  been                                                               
historically significant  as a measure  of wealth and as  a hedge                                                               
against bad  times, but in the  modern day it has  many more uses                                                               
for computers  and cell phones;  it has  wonderful anti-corrosive                                                               
properties  and is  used in  medical  procedures; and  astronauts                                                               
wear the gold platted visors.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Alaska's  reports  over  40  million ounces  of  gold  have  been                                                               
produced  since the  1880s.  These days  annual  production is  a                                                               
little over 900,000 ounces per  year, supplying roughly a seventh                                                               
of the US production, but lagging behind the rest of the world.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
He said the hard rock large  miners are producing now - Fort Knox                                                               
was one that  had completed reclamation of their  True North Mine                                                               
while  still investing  in their  current  operations. It  poured                                                               
about 360  million ounces of  gold and invested  significantly in                                                               
their equipment  with nine new  haul trucks, two shovels  and one                                                               
loader.  The Sumitomo  Pogo  metal mine  continues  to find  more                                                               
resources around the existing mine  and are starting to invest in                                                               
what  it would  take to  develop  those and  lengthen their  mine                                                               
life.  They have  produced over  2 million  ounces of  gold since                                                               
opening in 2006. A smaller operator,  the Fire River Gold - Nixon                                                               
Fork Mine, came back in operation  on July 4, 2011, and continues                                                               
to invest in  their operation to make sure  they have sustainable                                                               
production into the future.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The  primary  gold producer  in  Southeast  is the  Coeur  Alaska                                                               
Kensington  Gold  Mine; they  invested  a  significant amount  of                                                               
money  in infrastructure  this  year  including commissioning  an                                                               
underground pace  plant; they built new  administrative buildings                                                               
and warehouse and have gone into phase 2 of their tailings dam.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
The Hecla  Greens Creek Mine  also produces  gold as one  of four                                                               
products they produce.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. SATRE said  placer miners are the heart and  soul of Alaska's                                                               
mining industry  and there are  about 300 placer  mines scattered                                                               
throughout the state producing 85,000 ounces of gold annually.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
12:41:38 PM                                                                                                                   
MR. SATRE  said he would be  here for the  rest of the day  if he                                                               
was going  to talk about  every single gold  exploration project,                                                               
but  the  big  ones  are International  Tower  Hill  (ITH)  Mines                                                               
Livengood  Project, Barrick  and NovaGold  that have  invested in                                                               
the Donlin  Gold Project in  the Kuskokwim area,  the Heatherdale                                                               
Resources Project in  Niblack with gold being  the major producer                                                               
and the  Pebble Partnership in  the Bristol Bay area  with copper                                                               
as a primary product.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
12:43:01 PM                                                                                                                   
MR.  SATRE  said Alaska  is  an  incredible producer  of  silver,                                                               
having produced a total of over  140 million ounces; this year it                                                               
produced  13 million  ounces. Many  people  thought silver  would                                                               
crash once  digital photography  took over film  and the  lack of                                                               
interest in  it as an investment  metal, but it is  an incredible                                                               
metal  for  use  in  medical  applications  and  many  electronic                                                               
applications due to its  great conductivity. Worldwide production                                                               
is  significantly  more  than  in  Alaska,  but  the  two  silver                                                               
producers,  Hecla Greens  Creek Mine  and the  Red Dog  Mine, are                                                               
major  producers.  Greens Creek  has  400  workers  and it  is  a                                                               
significant  property  taxpayer  in Juneau.  They  are  currently                                                               
working on  an EIS to  expand their (dry stack)  tailings storage                                                               
facility to allow for many more years into the future.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
12:44:37 PM                                                                                                                   
MR.  SATRE related  that, while  gold mines  get all  the credit,                                                               
zinc is one  of Alaska's primary exports. It  has wonderful anti-                                                               
corrosive properties  and it  is a key  element for  life, growth                                                               
and  development.  Lead has  many  uses,  also, whether  it's  on                                                               
batteries or simply on  the end of the fishing line  to get it to                                                               
the right  spot.  About  155,000 tons  of lead and  about 700,000                                                               
tons of  zinc are produced per  year. The main producers  are the                                                               
Red  Dog Mine  (one  of  the largest  producers  of  zinc in  the                                                               
world), Hecla  Greens Creek, Heatherdale Resources'  Niblack Mine                                                               
and the Novacopper in Upper Kobuk.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He said copper  is another metal that is  incredibly important to                                                               
the  world  economy and  Alaska  has  produced over  1.3  billion                                                               
pounds of it,  primarily from the Kennecott Mine  with some minor                                                               
production from Fire River Gold.  The world is producing close to                                                               
40 billion pounds on an annual  basis and if Alaska develops some                                                               
of its copper  projects it can join in and  help supply the world                                                               
economy.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. SATRE  said that Novacopper/NANA  is expending  a significant                                                               
amount   of   money   in  the   Upper   Kobuk   mineral   project                                                               
reinvigorating  a  historical  district  and  maybe  a  potential                                                               
important copper  producer. The  Pebble Partnership  is investing                                                               
in the Bristol Bay area in what  is truly one of the world's most                                                               
amazing  undeveloped copper  projects;  Heatherdale Resources  at                                                               
Niblack has some copper as well.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. SATRE  said coal  was not  necessarily part  of the  group he                                                               
represents (Deantha  Crockett does), but they  do have production                                                               
at the Usibelli Coal mine, a  family owned business that has been                                                               
around for a  long time and is an important  part of the Railbelt                                                               
economy at  2 million tons per  year (1 million of  which is used                                                               
in Alaska  for power  generation and  about 1  million exported).                                                               
Usibelli is working on projects  at Wishbone Hill and the Chuitna                                                               
Coal project in Cook Inlet.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
12:47:45 PM                                                                                                                   
MR. SATRE  said rare earth elements  have a lot of  attention and                                                               
Alaska  doesn't produce  any  of them,  but it  has  some on  the                                                               
horizon  at Bokan  Mountain Ucore  project  in Southeast  Alaska.                                                               
Alaska could ultimately  play a critical role  in supplying these                                                               
to the US, just as it does in supplying the other metals.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. SATRE  concluded saying he  would hand the  presentation over                                                               
to Deantha  to talk  about the local  and statewide  benefits the                                                               
mining industry brings.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
12:48:11 PM                                                                                                                   
DEANTHA CROCKETT, Executive  Director, Alaska Miners Association,                                                               
Juneau,  Alaska,  said  she provided  the  committee  with  their                                                               
annual economic  benefits of the  mining industry  brochure, done                                                               
by  the McDowell  Group. She  said the  report comes  out in  the                                                               
beginning  of  the  year,  so  2013  reflects  their  final  2012                                                               
numbers. She said $275 million  had been spent on exploration for                                                               
60 projects; in  addition there were $270  million in development                                                               
expenditures and $3 billion in gross mineral production.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
She  said  with  all  the  emphasis on  the  oil  industry,  it's                                                               
important to recognize what the  mining industry contributes; for                                                               
instance, it provides 4,800 direct  jobs and 9,500 total indirect                                                               
jobs. It has a $650 million  total payroll and the average annual                                                               
wage is $100,000. These are very  high paying jobs that are year-                                                               
round and often times in communities without another economy.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
12:50:32 PM                                                                                                                   
MS.  CROCKETT  said  each  year the  mining  industry  does  $500                                                               
million  in business  with  only  Alaskan businesses:  suppliers,                                                               
contractors  and  vendors  that   really  depend  on  the  mining                                                               
industry's activity  to make a  go.  Mining  paid a total  of $21                                                               
million to local governments in 2012  and is the only taxpayer in                                                               
the  Northwest Arctic  Borough,  paying $13  million  in lieu  of                                                               
taxes  last   year.  Mining  contributed  $5.2   million  to  the                                                               
Fairbanks North  Star Borough  and $2.7 million  to the  City and                                                               
Borough of Juneau.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
She  said $80.4  million  was  paid to  the  state government  in                                                               
royalties  rents, fees  and taxes  in 2012  in addition  to $56.9                                                               
million to other state government  entities such as to the Alaska                                                               
Railroad for  moving coal,  sand and  gravel, to  the AIDEA-built                                                               
road from the  Red Dog Mine, the Skagway Ore  terminal and to the                                                               
Mental Health Trust from activity on their land.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
She  listed the  benefits to  Alaska Native  Corporations; nearly                                                               
all  benefits from  7(i) and  7(j) royalty  sharing and  business                                                               
partnerships  (like the  NANA Linden  Trucking  operation at  Red                                                               
Dog).   She said there were  $124.7 million in net  proceeds from                                                               
Red  Dog  last   year;  $76.4  million  was  paid   to  NANA  and                                                               
distributed  to  ANCSA  corporations  throughout  the  state  and                                                               
nearly 60 percent of Red Dog  jobs are held by NANA shareholders.                                                               
Donlin has  also done an  amazing job  with their camp  at Donlin                                                               
Gold   where   95  percent   of   the   employees  are   Chulista                                                               
shareholders.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. CROCKETT said  every ANCSA region in the state  has some form                                                               
of mining potential  or activity happening on it.  She hoped they                                                               
would remember  that mining works for  Alaska; it has for  a long                                                               
time and  it will  continue with  all the  mines they  had talked                                                               
about and those on the horizon.  What they do is important to the                                                               
entire world  and the local  benefits they provide  are extremely                                                               
important to state's economy.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
12:53:25 PM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR GIESSEL noted  the need for the Lake  Dorothy hydro project                                                               
due to Greens  Creek's electrical needs, which  would benefit all                                                               
consumers in  terms of the  kilowatt hour. Mining  contributes in                                                               
so many ways to the economy of communities.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
She  noted the  presence  of Co-Chair  Feige and  Representatives                                                               
Peggy  Wilson and  Tarr saying  they had  joined the  committee a                                                               
while  ago. She  also noted  that  zinc was  good for  preventing                                                               
colds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
12:54:49 PM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR MICCICHE asked  with all the energy  challenges our state                                                               
has, what happened to coal.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. SATRE responded that he  would pass that question to Usibelli                                                               
and Chuitna, but like any other  project in the state, access and                                                               
infrastructure mean everything. It's expensive to get to it and                                                                 
there may not be a ready market; but Alaska has incredibly                                                                      
significant resources.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GIESSEL said she heard the DNR commissioner say if Alaska                                                                 
was a country we would be 10th in the world in terms of our                                                                     
resources. She thanked the presenters.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
12:56:12 PM                                                                                                                   
There being no further business to come before the committee,                                                                   
Chair Giessel adjourned the Joint House/Senate Resources                                                                        
Committee meeting at 12:56 p.m.                                                                                                 

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